Its time to send in your email / letter of objection.

To save this land we need as many objection letters and points submitted as possible; so you, your neighbours, friends, family and clubs can all put in objections NOW. Just follow the process below, be sure to quote the planning application 12/00924/DC number , your name and address. Anyone, anywhere can put in an objection. Its really quite easy and will only take a few minutes. Feel fee to copy anything here.

Some changes are detailed below since this planning application was first submitted and so the following is very important for those that have already submitted their objections and are wondering whether to send in additional views to the council. Plus for new people wanting to know what to say. We’ll get a standard email written up in due course for those that want to use that.

But before reading on, the main objection is what will be lost, how this affects our health, education and happiness especially young kids, and how destroying this green space community land doesn’t conform to Council or National policy (more on that in due course……..…this is work in progress….. but you can see our website front page and get , and feel free to copy, our full planning objection document on the right hand side icon. ) Its very sad to see a property developer not ONCE mention what the land is being used for! Not once have they mentioned The Children Wood group and all they have done for kids, the schools that use the land, the nursey groups, not once have them mentioned all the people that use the land whether to walk their dog , have a picnic, just relax in, or grow some vegetables in the allotments or tend the community orchard or compost bins. Not once do they mention that thing we call “community” they will destory. Especially when you think the huge effort that has been made by getting a host of Council and Government policies drafted up and voted in to make sure they do just that – consult with communities they will be affecting. Instead they describe the land as a gap site and in disrepair. Thats truely shocking and we all need to do something about it – which is send in an objection.

Lets start with some of the new parts New City Vision Ltd has added to this planning application:

1. ALL trees on the land are destroyed. Including the large lime trees currently along Clouston street. The idea of destroying any part of this land is shocking but they had said previously they would keep the lime trees. They all go now. To quote: “All existing lime trees to be removed and replaced with uniformly sized and spaced species. “ (i.e. 8 small trees along Clouston street). Note 500 trees are currently growing on the land including a community orchard along Kelbourne street.
2. They have added two new dwellings on Kelbourne street making the whole new devolvement encircled. Some background information follows. The developer knew how bad it looked for them to destroy the whole land and so tried previously to say there would be some open green space left. This was viewed as just spin; you can’t reduce the North Kelvin Meadow to just a very small part of its existing size and still make it work – its not a residents garden, its a wild open green space for all in the community to use. However now they aren’t even trying to do that. The central green ish part is now surrounded on ALL sides by buildings. It’s simply a small residents area with some parking and space for bins. Lets be clear and ignore any spin, the land as it currently is, gets destroyed for 90 extra flats and we all need to object to that.
3. NCV Ltd new Eco Survey makes no mention of the large number of Orchids the land has. The land has so many Orchids as we don’t cut the grass etc unlike most Council run parks. All came to the land naturally and have been there decades.
4. The existing “Right of Way path between Kelbourne and Closuton street” is lost. Their new plan has a narrow lane going through the Clouston street town houses. But note the lane is covered with flats directly above it, so it’s basically a “common close” it’s going through and so can’t be seen as keeping the existing right of way. Note NCV Ltd drawings now label this area as private land reinforcing the loss.
5. They state the land isn’t in a conservation zone. In fact the land is in a conservation zone (confirmed by the Council), so their application is incorrect. Therefore they fail to address the needs of a conservation zone such as every tree is a protected one (called a TPO status). There are 500 of them on the land. What happened here is the land wasn’t, but its status changed a year or two ago.
6. Their Sanda Street new tenements now go up to 5 floors high from the pervious 4 floors. Not along the whole street but it begins with 5 and then moves to 4 floors. Quite unbelievable as it was previously pointed out 4 floors would over look the two floors of the old fire station opposite, so quite why they have increased it to 5 makes no sense. They aren’t taking on aboard even design considerations from local people that would be affected.
7. Note some of the car parking is on existing streets. So if you think Cloutson street etc is busy now, with an extra 90 flats that is an issue. The official calculator for extra people is to times the 90 dwellings by 2.5, so that gives an extra 225 people. This was called out to an extent in the last version.
8. Last but by no means least the land and groups / people using it have flourished in so many ways since the application was first submitted back in Dec 2012. It’s worth mentioning this to emphasis just how much the land is now used and how much the land still benefits the health, education and happiness of local people of all ages. Tell the Council!

If you’d like to see the detailed drawings of New City Vision Ltd (NCV) planning application 12/00924/DC then follow the link below. Once the page comes up, then click “Documents” you’ll see their plans in a bunch of documents dated 19th Nov 2014. The original ones are dated some 2 years ago. A reasonable overview one would be the “LANDSCAPE” one but note it only shows ground floor of buildings as taken from a view looking down.

https://publicaccess.glasgow.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=summary&keyVal=M3USXQEX0FS00

Where to send objection letters:


Ian Briggs, 
Planning Officer


Development and Regeneration Services

Glasgow City Council

231 George Street, Glasgow.
G1 1RX

or email objection letter to : planning.representations@drs.glasgow.gov.uk

or follow the Council guidance from the link above. You may have to register but it only takes a minute.

We’ll add more on the list of objections in due course.

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Planning application in!

We have been told that the Council will send letters out to locals living round the North Kelvin Meadow the week beginning 11th May 2015. We’d like to stress 3 points:

1. Anyone, anyway can put in an objection to this planning application. The council only target the ones immediately around the meadow for postage cost purposes. We can all have our say though – and should! Be sure to quote the planning application ref number which is 12/00924/DC further describtion: Site At Kelbourne Street/Sanda Street/Clouston Street Planning Application 12/00924/DC “Erection of residential development with associated parking, landscaping and vehicular access and demolition of existing structures (additional submissions).”

2. If you objected when the planning application went in the first time back in Dec 2012 that objection still stands. But your free to add to it and send in again as the planning application has slightly changed – it will still destroys the whole land though! Bear with us as we’ll update this site with more info when we know it and probably send out an email to those on our address list. We have 28 days from when the letters go out.

3. Ask others that care about these issues to object. Perhaps your scout, reading or swimming group, plus how about your neighbours.

Background info: back in December 2012 New City Vision Ltd submitted a planning application to build 90 dwellings on the land. However that application wasn’t deemed to be complete for it to go to the Councils Planning Committee for them to decide on. It was missing items like an Eco survey etc detailing what was on the land. As at 16th April 2015 they have now completed this application. Due to the 2 plus years that have passed, the Council will now open up another consultation period of 28 days, write out again to residents and groups. We await this letter, which once again starts the clock……

Its vitally important as many objections as possible are sent into the Council in that period. Making sure all are sent in the proper manner, to the right address and quoting the right planning application number for example . The good news is we believe it will be under the same application number as Dec 2012 and so existing objections letters will be counted.

To give some context around the time line its now been 7 years since the Council said a planning application would be in front of the Planning Committee to decide on. Back then we were told we were wasting our time clearing up the rubbish from the land, using and managing it and campaigning to keep it. In that time kids have been born that are now happliy climbing the trees and getting the benefits of outdoor excercise in a wild natural green space in the heart of our city. Such is the life of a dog they are now much older but what a time they and their owners have had. The groups that use the land have won many awards, we could go on……..

Its quite unbelievable how the Council can treat a community this way. We still hope for a happy ending but lets make our own luck and get as many objection letters in as we can……once the clock starts. There are also other things we can do …so please see the “How To Lobby” tab for more on that.

We’ll add more here as we get it…….but this is a crucial time so stay in touch and for each of us do our part in trying to save this land.

Link to New City Vision Ltd latest Planning Application:
https://publicaccess.glasgow.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=M3USXQEX0FS00

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Would you like to plant a tree?

Some people are thinking of planting a bunch of trees picked especially as wildlife friendly, plus they will help bring a little more diversity of specie too. Are there any small pockets you think could do with them on the land or places best not? Also if you’d like to help out and plant a few then please email : northkelvinmeadow@gmail.com

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“Happy Christmas” Celebrations !

Let’s join together for a Christmas celebration this winter.
Come along to the meadow at
4pm on the Friday 19th of December 2014

Bring something to drink and eat and we’ll sing a few carols
around the fire area. If you would like to bring a set of outdoor
battery operated fairy lights we will decorate a couple of trees
for over the festive period (avaiable on http://www.lights4fun.co.uk)

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Short letter that could be used in the Council Form

(we’ve had a few people ask if they could get a short template type letter they could use in completing their Form to object to the proposed City Development Plan, so here it is below. So be sure to use the Form which you can get along with other info in the tab above called “Proposed City Development Plan” – its worth the hassle to complete!)

Hi Glasgow City Council

I would like housing proposal H023 Sanda St / Kelbourne St / Clouston St to be deleted from the Schedule of Proposals.

I would like the Glasgow Open Space Map to be amened to to show the land at Sanda St / Kelbourne St / Clouston St to be designated as: “6.72 – Natural / Semi-natural greenspace – Open semi-natural”. This reflects the reality that this area of land is a green natural space.

I seek the above amendments for the following reasons:

1. The Sanda St / Kelbourne St / Clouston St area IS a green space, and so it is only logical that it should be designated a green space.

2. It is important to maintain green spaces in the city, especially in areas such as Maryhill where there is high-density housing. The Sanda St / Kelbourne St / Clouston St area has never been built on and has always been an open space of one sort or another. Therefore, it should be preserved. There are plenty of brownfield sites in the city for potential housing developments. A change of use for this space is not justified. It is madness to destroy a green space, which promotes biodiversity and helps to improve air quality and prevent flooding. The council itself states on p34 of the Proposed City Development Plan that it wants to “utilise brownfield sites in preference to greenfield sites”. Good idea.

3. The area around the Sanda St / Kelbourne St / Clouston St green space is already overcrowded. Most of the local accommodation is flats, and so the area is already very densely populated with a great many cars. There isn’t room for 100 more housing units and the extra vehicles they will bring.

4. The Sanda St / Kelbourne St / Clouston St area is an important local amenity. Many people in the area live in flats and don’t have much of a garden. In particular, there is almost no garden space in the Wyndford. The Sanda St / Kelbourne St / Clouston St area provides a green space for local people to relax and socialise, and is an important play area for children.

5. The Sanda St / Kelbourne St / Clouston St area promotes community cohesion and enriches lives. There is a strong community group associated with this area. The group has transformed the area and puts on numerous events that are very well attended by local people. In particular, there are a lot of events for small children. These allow the children to engage with the outdoors in ways that otherwise would not be possible. The area also brings adults together from all social backgrounds, meaning that people in the area know one another. This makes the area safer and more friendly, and promotes a sense of community.

6. The Sanda St / Kelbourne St / Clouston St area provides an opportunity for people to grow their own food in raised bed allotments and learn about environmentally friendly processes such as composting. This helps to alleviate the allotment shortage in Glasgow at a time when the Scottish Government is committed to supporting allotments and ‘grow your own’ spaces. Providing city dwellers with adequate allotment space is important, because allotment use strengthens communities and helps to promote healthy eating in the face of a worsening obesity crisis.

7. The Sanda St / Kelbourne St / Clouston St area has historic significance because it was once playing fields for the local school and because of the investment the local community has made in it, not just over the past five through the North Kelvin Meadow campaign, but before that too. It is one of those quirky, unusual places that makes a city. It is therefore against the council’s own policies to destroy it. According to p51 of the Proposed City Development Plan: “The council is unlikely to support development that would have a negative impact on the historic environment.” Another good idea.

8. Local people are overwhelmingly against the development, as turnout at meetings and signatures on petitions have shown. There has never been a proper consultation with local people. This contravenes the council’s own guidelines as set out in the Proposed City Development Plan. On page 6, it says that: “The Plan has taken into account the comments received from organizations, local communities and individuals in response to the Key Issues and Options set out in the Main Issues Report.” In the the case of the Sanda St / Kelbourne St / Clouston St area this is simply not true.

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Wild Flower Meadow

Information below updated on Sunday 15th June 2014

Temporary Fence

The temporary fence has now been taken down as at Sunday 15th June 2014. We left it up for 8 weeks and while it could have stayed up longer to protect the new meadow grass, its also good to see it back to what it was. We ask no events are done on that space for the rest of the year. Hopefully the grass we’ve used will withstand the use, as it is ideal for flowers too. Eventually we’d like a higher proportion of wild flowers in amongst the grass.

Maryhill Fire Birgade came out Friday 18th April 2014 to water the newly sowed wild flower grass meadow. A big thanks to them as rain wasn’t forecast for a few days. As it happened the kids from Step by Step Nursery were down on the land playing as they rent one of the raised beds there. The fireman gave each of them a turn at directing the hose and making rainbows. Fingers crossed we now get the right weather!! All we do now is wait.

Special thanks and recognition to Gregor for his sterling efforts in manging the meadow flowers and grass over the years. Creating and manging the right habitat that flowers can grow along side grass isn’t as easy as it looks!

The consulation on putting up the temporary fence has ended and given the largly positive feedback we have now gone ahead and put up the temporary fence. Please bear with us while this repair work is carried out to the Meadow. No one wants a fence ofcourse long term, but its needed temporary to help the meadow recover from the increase in use. The plan has been to : put wooden posts up with tape, fork and rake up the muddy parts, spread about two tonnes of fresh compost on the bare parts, sow grass seed thats friendly to a meadow, contact with soil, leave alone, once grass etc rooted and growing remove fence. We’ve gone for 6 different kinds of Meadow Grass (4.2kg) : Common Bent, Creeping Bent, Sweet Vernal Grass, Crested Dog’s Tail, Chewings Fescue and Smooth-Stalked Meadow Grass. In addition we’ve included some wild flower seed (1.2kg) too but we don’t expect all the flowers to last long in the middle part – the point is to reintroduce grass seed thats friendly to a wild flowering meadow. We’ve also repaired small bare parts in other parts of the meadow too. In particular sowing seed around the main entrance from Kelbourne street (although it could do with more flower seed which we may buy or please let us know if you can donate and sow yourself?).

If you have any concerns with this process or what we are doing please do email us or come along to discuss at our weekly Sunday growing sessions (all welcome!) between 2-4pm. We feel its important to keep everyone on side while this work happens (by the way we need help doing it, so if you have spare time then come and get involved……get some exercise, fresh air, do some good and learn how to manage a Meadow :)

We ask that no events are stationed on that part this year to give it a breather.

All this work above brings up a good question on what kind of organization does the local community want to manage North Kelvin Meadow? There needs to be one that makes sure all interested parties are given a say whether thats: Dog Walkers, Children, Allotment people, Compost people, picnic people, local residents and so on? Over the last 6 years this website has tried to do that but to get us over the line with the Council it may well need to be on a more formal footing to show it has named representatives from the various groups that use the land? What do you think?

The five bare patches.
You’ll see on the far side of the meadow there has been 5 new meadow patches created. These were planted up on Friday 4th April 2014 with about 23 different kinds of Wild Flower Meadow seed. Mostly Perenials but a few Annuals too. The process has been as pervious years: turn turf over, rake up and sow seed ensuring good contact. The strategy is to concentrate on that far side as it doesn’t get so much foot or paw fall. It will also provide a good length of colour along one whole side. The shape (a long length, but with gaps to allow natural paths) also means the flower seed has maximum chance to cultivate the rest of the meadow. A few examples of the 23 kinds of seed are: Meadow Cransbill, Selfheal, Bush Vetch, Cornflower, Corn Poppy, Meadow Buttercup, Lady Bedstraw, Ribwort Plantain and Ox-eye Daisy. We’ll be planting Yellow Rattle in Sept / Oct on the fringes of these patches as that specie is important for meadows.
This all takes money I’m afriad. All the work is done by local volunteers from our community and we’ve tried to get items as cheap as we can. The Meadow seed for example for much of the above came to £245. But we’ll probably buy more, and then there is all the bulbs to meet our 1,000 bulb challenge. The list goes on……

Anyway if you can donate please do. We are currently overdrawn by more than £-500!

Bank Account Name: North Kelvin Meadow Campaign, Bank Account: 00174585 Sort Code: 82-64-26
Cheques made payble to: North Kelvin Meadow Campaign (email us at northkelvinmeadow@gmail.com to ask for postal address)

We are a registered Scottish charity number SC041346

We would appreciate anyone telling us whether this is the closest large scale Wild Flowering Meadow to Glasgow city centre? The land is 1.4 hectares although some of that is woodland.

Composting – On a different but important topic we could do with more people that want to get involved in our Composting Group. Please do email in to northkelvinmeadow@gmail.com to let us know if composting is something your interested in and we’ll put you in touch with Neil who manages this group? Composting is a little more difficult than one thinks when done as a community. So its good for us all “to talk” on this one! Special thanks to Elspeth and Keith who have been helping with the stirring rota. At the moment they are trying to reduce the number of flies in the composters by adding a layer of carbon (paper, leaves, grass) or finished compost to cover all fresh fruit and veg waste.

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The 1,000 Bulb Challenge, a question on a temporay fence and Growing North Kelvin Meadow

The 1,000 Bulb Challenge!
Let’s see if we can plant 1000 bulbs from March to May 2014 – that means now!
1. Your invited to come along to our new “Growing Sunday afternoon sessions” at 2pm when we’ll be planting bulbs , along with other activities. To start this off we’ve bought 140 bulbs ready for you to plant now.
2. Or please feel free to plant some bulbs yourself at other times. If unsure what to do etc then just ask us.

How to Plant a Bulb:
• Plant Bulbs to a depth of roughly 3 times their size. Squirrels can dig them up if shallower than that.
• Plant bulbs facing up , if not sure plant on their sides.
• How about some Tulips in the Meadow part and Bluebells or Snow drops under the trees along Clouston Street (soil is very good there) and in The Children Wood. But feel free to choose what bulbs you like and where (native ones only though). Near the entrances would be another good place.

Community consultation i.e. a question for you.
The issue: this last two years the middle part of the Meadow has got quite muddy. It’s been a mixture of more use and some of the events that have been staged on that part. Basically it’s not had a chance to recover.

The recommendation: we’d like to plant wild flower meadow grass seed on that muddy area and the advice we’ve been given is for the first6 weeks after the seed is put down the area should be fenced off.
Four important points:
1. Only grass seed that is friendly to wild flowers will be sowed, it will have a little wild flower seed mixed in. Other kinds of grass seed would destroy the flowers we have (not all grass seed is the same, many kinds outcompete flowers).
2. The fence would only be in a small area and it’s expected to simply be a few wooded poles with one or two lengths of string between. More to stop humans walking on it.
3. The fence would only be temporary, probably for 6 weeks. Everyone agrees they don’t want things fenced off and so this would be a temporary exception to that principle.
4. Note we may fence off a smaller area and then6 weeks later move the fence and sow again. This will free up more area at any one time. However we need to sow before it become too dry.

This is your chance to give feedback on the above. So what do you think? Please email northkelvinmeadow@gmail.com Due to the time of year we are keen to get started on this soon, assuming people don’t object. Dated 12th March 2014

Growing North Kelvin Meadow
We’ve kicked off a dedicated group to considerate on all things “community growing”. It’s got its own facebook page called Growing North Kelvin Meadow (bet you guessed that! :)
• We’ll meet every Sunday at 2pm on the Meadow.
• We’ll be building a new Community Raised Bed (s), so if your into growing vegetables this is for you.
• We’ll tend and expand the Orchard along the fence line at Kelbourne street side, plant bulbs, wild flowers, help Bumble bees and other routine maintenance to help the land flourish.

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